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Shaw Walters: ‘We’re Going to Automate All of the Jobs’

Someday you’ll be out of a job. So will I, so will your neighbor, so will your best friend, and so will all of your family. All of our jobs will be automated, thanks to AI. This is the prediction of Shaw Walters (who in Web3 style typically just goes by “Shaw”), founder of Eliza Labs, and creator of ElizaOS.
“We’re going to automate all of the jobs. Like, all of the jobs are going to be automated,” says Shaw. “There aren’t going to be any jobs. And there shouldn’t be, because any work that I can get a robot to do is beneath me. And I think we will look back on this time like we look back on slavery. Like, ‘What the fuck were we doing?’”
Onstage at the AI Summit at Consensus 2025, Shaw will unpack this theory in a keynote titled, “How AI Agents and Humanoid Robots will Reshape Society…and Why Crypto is the Key.” Here he gives a quick sneak peek.
Interview has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity.
What excites you the most about AI Agents?
Personally, this is a sort of selfish quest. I don’t like sitting at my desk all day with my shoulders rounding, becoming this troll who’s coding all day.
What I want to do is to pace around and tell my agents to do things and code for me. Coding has gotten to the point where I have another window up, and I’m just coding with Gemini in Cursor. I just start speaking and saying, “Hey, this is what I want. I want you to change this, this, and this,” and it just starts going.
And why can’t that just be embodied? Why can’t I just be walking down the street talking to my agent and it’s writing my code for me? Why do I have to be sitting here glued to this desk? So I really want to unbox the user interface personally for myself, and have my agent with me everywhere I go. I can just call it if I have an idea. It answers my email.
What do you think will be the first killer use case of agents that really goes mainstream?
Well, definitely coding. It’s already the first case.
Fair. But what about for normies, for non-coders?
Well for us [at Eliza], it’s social agents. And then I run a remote team and DAO community, right? We have 20 people that come to work every day and develop code. I have a group chat right now of eight people. And we have 20 channels on Discord and we have a Telegram. So we have all this communication happening in all these places, and we have these very obvious problems everyone else has. I don’t know what’s going on in most of the chats. I don’t have time to read most of it.
I’d love if it was just summarized for me. They should be like, «Hey, what has this guy been working on right now?» And it’s like, «Oh, he worked on this. He answered this.» Great. So we have a bot that’s doing just that thing. It checks in with every single employee every day and gets a [status update] from them. And it’s tracking every single chat and all of our digital spaces and summarizes everything.
Why, in your mind, is crypto crucial to this larger vision of yours of AI Agents? Why is Web3 necessary?
I think it’s very obvious that it’s hard for me to give an agent a PayPal account. But I can just spin up a wallet for this agent and that agent. I could build a game where I’m like, «I need 10,000 wallets.» Because what I’m really doing is giving an agent the ability to prove that it is itself with a cryptographic signing tool, just like I’m giving any other user. So agents are just proxies for other users and they get the same benefits that any other user does.
But I think that there’s a bigger question here of like why crypto at all? And I think the reason is because I think that we should be able to create our own money. It’s not a power that we should necessarily give to states, although states have the ability to enforce it with force. So there’s a bigger question of, what’s the war we’re fighting here?
This is something that I’ll be sharing in my Consensus talk. We’re going to automate all of the jobs. Like, all of the jobs are going to be automated. There aren’t going to be any jobs. And there shouldn’t be, because any work that I can get a robot to do is beneath me. And I think we will look back on this time like we look back on slavery. Like, «What the fuck were we doing?”
We were making everybody work for dollars with all of their time. That’s crazy to me. They should have been pursuing their passions. They should have been asking, “Why are we here and what are we doing?” They should have been forming their own basis of spirituality instead of just going to work every day. And so, in that reality, well, there’s a big problem.
I can think of a few…
If there’s no jobs, then we have no money. But actually none of the rich people in our country have jobs. How do they make money? They’re investing. And I think this is the world we have to live in, where we’re all investors, and nobody’s a worker. It’s just insane to me that we live in a world where all the rich people don’t work, and yet we think that’s the way to getting rich.
I’m trying to visualize this. It’s wild to imagine a world where no one has jobs, and all the work is beneath us.
It’s inevitable.
Are we writing poetry all day? How are we filling our time? What does humanity look like?
Okay, so let’s say you somehow received an airdrop that you put into a project, and now you have something like $80 million worth of value. What would you do? What’s your next move?
I see where you’re going with this. So the idea is that you think about what your passions are, and how you’d spend your time if you had unlimited money? And then that’s what you’d be doing in this world where all the jobs are automated.
Yeah. I would be at my computer working on AGI. I would be working on that all day.
Let’s go there now. What’s your guess of when we get to AGI, or if we get to AGI?
What is AGI?
[Both laugh.]
So, does AGI to you imply sentience?
Well, my favorite coined term was that AGI is the thing that computers can’t do yet. How about that?
It’s a bit of Zeno’s Paradox, right? It will forever be outside of its grasp.
Yes, we have normalized the fact that, like, I can talk to ChatGPT on voice in my phone and get instant answers to almost anything. Like, we’re sitting here having ChatGPT do tarot readings, and give us answers to how “Magic: the Gathering” works.
Wild times! Thanks Shaw, this was fun. See you in Toronto. Can’t wait for your talk.
Jeff Wilser will host the AI Summit at Consensus 2025, and is host of The People’s AI: The Decentralized AI Podcast.
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Asia Morning Briefing: Native Markets Wins Right to Issue USDH After Validator Vote

Good Morning, Asia. Here’s what’s making news in the markets:
Welcome to Asia Morning Briefing, a daily summary of top stories during U.S. hours and an overview of market moves and analysis. For a detailed overview of U.S. markets, see CoinDesk’s Crypto Daybook Americas.
Hyperliquid’s validator community has chosen Native Markets to issue USDH, ending a weeklong contest that drew proposals from Paxos, Frax, Sky (ex-MakerDAO), Agora, and others.
Native Markets, co-founded by former Uniswap Labs president MC Lader, researcher Anish Agnihotri, and early Hyperliquid backer Max Fiege, said it will begin rolling out USDH “within days,” according to a post by Fiege on X.
According to onchain trackers, Native Markets’ proposal took approximately 70% of validators’ votes, while Paxos took 20%, and Ethena came in at 3.2%.
The staged launch starts with capped mints and redemptions, followed by a USDH/USDC spot pair before caps are lifted.
USDH is designed to challenge Circle’s USDC, which currently dominates Hyperliquid with nearly $6 billion in deposits, or about 7.5% of its supply. USDC and other stablecoins will remain supported if they meet liquidity and HYPE staking requirements.
Most rival bidders had promised to channel stablecoin yields back to the ecosystem with Paxos via HYPE buybacks, Frax through direct user yield, and Sky with a 4.85% savings rate plus a $25 million “Genesis Star” project.
Native Markets’ pitch instead stressed credibility, trading experience, and validator alignment.
Market Movement
BTC: BTC has recently reclaimed the $115,000 level, helped by inflows into ETFs, easing U.S. inflation data, and growing expectations for interest rate cuts. Also, technical momentum is picking up, though resistance sits around $116,000, according to CoinDesk’s market insights bot.
ETH: ETH is trading above $4600. The price is being buoyed by strong ETF inflows.
Gold: Gold continues to trade near record highs as traders eye dollar weakness on expected Fed rate cuts.
Elsewhere in Crypto:
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BitMEX Co-Founder Arthur Hayes Sees Money Printing Extending Crypto Cycle Well Into 2026

Arthur Hayes believes the current crypto bull market has further to run, supported by global monetary trends he sees as only in their early stages.
Speaking in a recent interview with Kyle Chassé, a longtime bitcoin and Web3 entrepreneur, the BitMEX co-founder and current Maelstrom CIO argued that governments around the world are far from finished with aggressive monetary expansion.
He pointed to U.S. politics in particular, saying that President Donald Trump’s second term has not yet fully unleashed the spending programs that could arrive from mid-2026 onward. Hayes suggested that if expectations for money printing become extreme, he may consider taking partial profits, but for now he sees investors underestimating the scale of liquidity that could flow into equities and crypto.
Hayes tied his outlook to broader geopolitical shifts, including what he described as the erosion of a unipolar world order. In his view, such periods of instability tend to push policymakers toward fiscal stimulus and central bank easing as tools to keep citizens and markets calm.
He also raised the possibility of strains within Europe — even hinting that a French default could destabilize the euro — as another factor likely to accelerate global printing presses. While he acknowledged these policies eventually risk ending badly, he argued that the blow-off top of the cycle is still ahead.
Turning to bitcoin, Hayes pushed back on concerns that the asset has stalled after reaching a record $124,000 in mid-August.
He contrasted its performance with other asset classes, noting that while U.S. stocks are higher in dollar terms, they have not fully recovered relative to gold since the 2008 financial crisis. Hayes pointed out that real estate also lags when measured against gold, and only a handful of U.S. technology giants have consistently outperformed.
When measured against bitcoin, however, he believes all traditional benchmarks appear weak.
Hayes’ message was that bitcoin’s dominance becomes even clearer once assets are viewed through the lens of currency debasement.
For those frustrated that bitcoin is not posting fresh highs every week, Hayes suggested that expectations are misplaced.
In his telling, investors from the traditional world and those in crypto actually share the same premise: governments and central banks will print money whenever growth falters. Hayes says traditional finance tends to express this view by buying bonds on leverage, while crypto investors hold bitcoin as the “faster horse.”
His conclusion is that patience is essential. Hayes argued that the real edge of holding bitcoin comes from years of compounding outperformance rather than short-term speculation.
Coupled with what he sees as an inevitable wave of money creation through the rest of the decade, he believes the present crypto cycle could stretch well into 2026, far from exhausted.
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Bitcoin Bulls Bet on Fed Rate Cuts To Drive Bond Yields Lower, But There’s a Catch

On Sept. 17, the U.S. Federal Reserve (Fed) is widely expected to cut interest rates by 25 basis points, lowering the benchmark range to 4.00%-4.25%. This move will likely be followed by more easing in the coming months, taking the rates down to around 3% within the next 12 months. The fed funds futures market is discounting a drop in the fed funds rate to less than 3% by the end of 2026.
Bitcoin (BTC) bulls are optimistic that the anticipated easing will push Treasury yields sharply lower, thereby encouraging increased risk-taking across both the economy and financial markets. However, the dynamics are more complex and could lead to outcomes that differ significantly from what is anticipated.
While the expected Fed rate cuts could weigh on the two-year Treasury yield, those at the long end of the curve may remain elevated due to fiscal concerns and sticky inflation.
Debt supply
The U.S. government is expected to increase the issuance of Treasury bills (short-term instruments) and eventually longer-duration Treasury notes to finance the Trump administration’s recently approved package of extended tax cuts and increased defense spending. According to the Congressional Budget Office, these policies are likely to add over $2.4 trillion to primary deficits over ten years, while Increasing debt by nearly $3 trillion, or roughly $5 trillion if made permanent.
The increased supply of debt will likely weigh on bond prices and lift yields. (bond prices and yields move in the opposite direction).
«The U.S. Treasury’s eventual move to issue more notes and bonds will pressure longer-term yields higher,» analysts at T. Rowe Price, a global investment management firm, said in a recent report.
Fiscal concerns have already permeated the longer-duration Treasury notes, where investors are demanding higher yields to lend money to the government for 10 years or more, known as the term premium.
The ongoing steepening of the yield curve – which is reflected in the widening spread between 10- and 2-year yields, as well as 30- and 5-year yields and driven primarily by the relative resilience of long-term rates – also signals increasing concerns about fiscal policy.
Kathy Jones, managing director and chief income strategist at the Schwab Center for Financial Research, voiced a similar opinion this month, noting that «investors are demanding a higher yield for long-term Treasuries to compensate for the risk of inflation and/or depreciation of the dollar as a consequence of high debt levels.»
These concerns could keep long-term bond yields from falling much, Jones added.
Stubborn inflation
Since the Fed began cutting rates last September, the U.S. labor market has shown signs of significant weakening, bolstering expectations for a quicker pace of Fed rate cuts and a decline in Treasury yields. However, inflation has recently edged higher, complicating that outlook.
When the Fed cut rates in September last year, the year-on-year inflation rate was 2.4%. Last month, it stood at 2.9%, the highest since January’s 3% reading. In other words, inflation has regained momentum, weakening the case for faster Fed rate cuts and a drop in Treasury yields.
Easing priced in?
Yields have already come under pressure, likely reflecting the market’s anticipation of Federal Reserve rate cuts.
The 10-year yield slipped to 4% last week, hitting the lowest since April 8, according to data source TradingView. The benchmark yield has dropped over 60 basis points from its May high of 4.62%.
According to Padhraic Garvey, CFA, regional head of research, Americas at ING, the drop to 4% is likely an overshoot to the downside.
«We can see the 10yr Treasury yield targeting still lower as an attack on 4% is successful. But that’s likely an overshoot to the downside. Higher inflation prints in the coming months will likely cause long-end yields some issues, requiring a significant adjustment,» Garvey said in a note to clients last week.
Perhaps rate cuts have been priced in, and yields could bounce back hard following the Sept. 17 move, in a repeat of the 2024 pattern. The dollar index suggests the same, as noted early this week.
Lesson from 2024
The 10-year yield fell by over 100 basis points to 3.60% in roughly five months leading up to the September 2024 rate cut.
The central bank delivered additional rate cuts in November and December. Yet, the 10-year yield bottomed out with the September move and rose to 4.57% by year-end, eventually reaching a high of 4.80% in January of this year.
According to ING, the upswing in yields following the easing was driven by economic resilience, sticky inflation, and fiscal concerns.
As of today, while the economy has weakened, inflation and fiscal concerns have worsened as discussed earlier, which means the 2024 pattern could repeat itself.
What it means for BTC?
While BTC rallied from $70,000 to over $100,000 between October and December 2024 despite rising long-term yields, this surge was primarily fueled by optimism around pro-crypto regulatory policies under President Trump and growing corporate adoption of BTC and other tokens.
However, these supporting narratives have significantly weakened looking back a year later. Consequently, the possibility of a potential hardening of yields in the coming months weighing over bitcoin cannot be dismissed.
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